In Part 2, Lindsay Phenix gets into the coaching side of her life — what she sees first-time 100-miler athletes get wrong (doing too much, too fast), why you have to run slower to run faster, and what direct constant communication looks like when you're coaching athletes across three time zones simultaneously. She also digs into the actual science of pain at 100 miles versus a marathon (your body can only feel so much pain at once, and a quad that's destroying you at mile 30 will stop hurting when your back takes over — which is weird but real), what heat training and road miles actually prepare you for at Badwater that nothing else does, and what she saw while hallucinating at the Cruel Jewel 100 in Georgia (Dolly Parton, following her through the woods, not there). She also gives the most honest answer in the episode to the question of whether she's running toward something or away from something: she doesn't know, and she suspects finding out might make the running stop. The finish she's proudest of is her first Badwater — the one that went wrong — because that's the race that taught her something.

If you haven't listened to Part 1 yet, start there — it dropped 10 minutes ago.

Show Notes

About the Guest


Lindsay Phenix is an elite ultra-marathoner, two-time Badwater 135 finisher, run coach, and podcast co-host based in Los Angeles, California. She has completed approximately 145 marathons and ultramarathons combined — including a serious stack of 100-mile finishes — and is a featured athlete in the Amazon Prime documentary on the Badwater 135 ultra. She also appeared on The Wheel on Discovery Channel, a survival show filmed in South America. She coaches remotely through Ornery Mule Racing and co-hosts The Dirt Trail Running Podcast.

What's Covered in Part 2


Dad — The Family Race Director

Height and Ultrarunning


145 Marathons and Ultramarathons


Running as Identity


Running Toward or Away From Something


Most Common Coaching Mistake — Doing Too Much


Pain Science — The 100-Miler vs. the Marathon


Badwater Preparation — The Three Factors


Hallucinations — Dolly Parton at the Cruel Jewel


The Finish She's Proudest Of


The Limit Question


Hiking Hack — Clip-On Amazon Running Lights


Off the Beaten Path — Meru


Pay It Forward — Challenged Athletes Foundation


What's Next — Not 200 Miles


Links & Resources



  • Lindsay Phenix — Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/lindsayphenix

  • Ornery Mule Racing (coaching): https://www.ornerymule.com

  • The Dirt Trail Running Podcast: https://www.thedirtpodcast.com

  • Challenged Athletes Foundation: https://www.challengedathletes.org

  • Badwater 135: https://www.badwater.com

  • Ultramarathon Man — Dean Karnazes. The book that first planted Badwater in Lindsay's mind at age 14.

  • Meru — Documentary on the first ascent of the Meru Shark's Fin in the Himalayas. Lindsay's media recommendation.


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